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      CommentAuthorgavinandgage
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010 edited
     
    I am new here, My wife and I are huge fans. of anything related to Brendan Perry Lisa Gerrard and Dead Can Dance. Mostly because we were united by the music of Dead Can Dance. We got married in 2005, we didn't have much money at all, but as a wedding present I paid for a trip from Utah to Boston to see Dead Can Dance on October 5. It was amazing, we had seats in the second row near Lisas side, and the Orpheum Theater was the perfect venue. Someone form the stage even handed us the setlist after the show just to top everything off. The night was amazing and we will never ever forget it, it was something we always wanted to have a special reminder of, so when we found out THE SHOW was selling the limited 500 autographed vinyl we bought it and had it framed with the setlist, as newlyweds, $100 was a good bit of money for us but to have a lasting visual memory of the night we saw Dead Can Dance and the time we spent in Boston was worth every cent.

    The above is why it pains me so much to be here. I have recently been laid off of my IT job and the IT market here is horrible. I have no clue when I will be able to find work again, We are having to sell anything of value which isn't much. And unfortunately the inevitable came up that this framed signed record and setlist may be worth something to someone. We know that we will never get the true value for it as a symbol of our new marriage. But we are hoping that it will be just as emotionally valuable to someone here rather than some record dealer somewhere. The only thing that is making it bearable to part with is thinking that someone will get it who truly wants and will cherish it as we have.

    So my question is what is this worth and is anyone interested in it? I have not found one for sale on eBay or online in general and its something we'd never imagined we'd have to sell. As mentioned we paid $100 for it. Any help from you guys would be so greatly appreciated. I really don't want to give this up to some heartless record shop to whom this would mean nothing but I have a young family with two small kids to take care of so I have to do whatever I can to take care of them.
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      CommentAuthorAlexander
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    oh, can't you sell something else? :/ That's a sad story... any rich Dead Can Dance fan around to give this man a good batch of dollars for this epic record?
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    I wish I could, if there was anything else I could sell I would do it in a second, I've even sold my great grandparents antique silverware anything I can to keep my family supported. This is literally the last thing we have of value to sell. I really didn't want anyone to feel bad for us. I just wanted whomever may be interested in it to understand what the record means to us and hope they would take care of it accordingly. Thank you so much for your concern though. This is why I wanted to come here and offer this. =)
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      CommentAuthorAlexander
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    here's the discogs link...

    http://www.discogs.com/Dead-Can-Dance-DCD-2005-12th-October-USA-Chicago/release/680163

    one offer for 300 and one for even more :P
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    Thank You, I had never even heard of this place. That helps alot
    • CommentAuthorsalehliam
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    The most ideal would be if there was someone that would be willing to sell the vinyl to you back in better times.
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    that would be amazing but I think the odds are very slim. From what I've been seeing online, it may not be too easy to find a buyer. I'm researching the discogs deal now to see if that works.
    • CommentAuthorsalehliam
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010 edited
     
    Good luck then, fingers crossed!
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    Thank you so much again to all of you, you are really great.
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      CommentAuthorAlexander
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    If you can't find any buyer, I'd try it on ebay... I think you can get about $250 for it. But it's ebay :/
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    Just an update, unfortunately due to time constraints on bills ive had to go the eBay route . So if you know of anyone who has been looking for this please point them to http://cgi.ebay.com/Dead-Can-Dance-Chicago-Signed-LP-484-500-Framed-/200504128476?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2eaefa33dc#ht_720wt_1137 I would greatly greatly appreciate it. If i am breaking the TOS of the forum by posting the link here I sincerely apologize and I will remove it. Thank you guys again for all your kind words and thoughts.
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      CommentAuthorAlexander
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2010
     
    100 $ is not much... if no one wants to have it, I'd probably take it.
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    If i am breaking the TOS of the forum by posting the link here I sincerely apologize and I will remove it.

    I'm not worried about it. The general purpose of the discussion board is not for selling items, but you're a legitimate fan, fallen on hard times, with a "rare" treasure that you're being forced to part with, and wondering if another fan could give it a good home. No big deal. I hope it works out. And here's hoping you get back on your feet again soon.
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    Thank you so much XaviersPrayer I sincerely appreciate it. Again this has got to be the best fan base ever. The people we met at the Boston show surely were.
    • CommentAuthorAdrian
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2010
     
    Trading rare items via the forum is always legitimate. Selling items via the forum is indeed - if you ask me - not in accordance with the terms of use. I just wanted to mention that, although I agree that you seem to be a legitimate DCD fan and we can make an exception.
    • CommentAuthorsalehliam
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2010
     
    It is good to rememeber that rules are for people not otherwise.
    • CommentAuthorianmacd
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2010
     
    Selling items via the forum is indeed - if you ask me - not in accordance with the terms of use.


    Actually, it is.

    I have just reread the forum rules (which contains the only terms of use I'm aware of) and it doesn't address the subject of commercial activity at all.

    If there is an expectation that people here will not engage in commercial activity, it is, at best, implicit and relies on people's prior knowledge of other discussion forums where such a rule is made explicitly clear.

    I suggest issuing some guidance on this topic in the forum rules posting and also making a separate posting to alert people that said rules have been amended.
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      CommentAuthorAlexander
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2010
     
    German bureaucracy :P I think everybody knows that this forum is no online shop or whatever...
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    Ian does have a point. Although it is usually taken for granted, it would be a good idea to include it in the forum rules, of course adding a note that the moderators may decide on exceptions like this case.
    • CommentAuthorAdrian
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2010
     
    Actually, it is.

    I have just reread the forum rules (which contains the only terms of use I'm aware of) and it doesn't address the subject of commercial activity at all.


    Still moderators can decide to delete or ban posts of that or similar nature.

    Also, I don't think that just because the issue is missing in the forum rules, people would interpret it as a possibility to use the forum to sell stuff commercially. If the future proves me wrong and people here start abusing that, I am open for suggestions to change the terms of use. But let's be honest it seems difficult to stick to the real simple rules such as making one instead of five posts in a row, putting the posts in the right thread, etc.
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    Adrian, I don't think Ian made that remark to create a controversy. I think that actually he made it to avoid possible future ones. But in any case, I don't suppose you'll be banning people who post commercial stuff immediately (I suppose you would post them a note saying its not allowed), so its your choice whether to specify it in the rules or not ;)
    • CommentAuthorAdrian
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2010
     
    Don't get me wrong, pls. Of course, none of the moderators would delete or ban people just like that... this is not what I said.
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    Of course, none of the moderators would delete or ban people just like that... this is not what I said.


    I know that's not what you said. In fact what I said is that I suppose you wouldn't do that. I hope I wasn't misunderstood. So the matter is settled ;)
    • CommentAuthorianmacd
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2010 edited
     
    Adrian,

    Why would you put yourself to the trouble of having to delete posts and/or notify users that they are not allowed to offer goods for sale when you can preempt the whole issue by specifying commercial activity as not permissible in the terms of use?

    When you make a statement like this:

    Selling items via the forum is indeed - if you ask me - not in accordance with the terms of use.


    you explicitly refer people to the terms of use to determine which behaviour is acceptable in the forum. How can you say to a user that something is "not in accordance with the terms of use" if it is not even mentioned by those terms of use?

    You could say that the it's obvious, but plenty of forums do allow commercial activity. How is a user supposed to know that this one does not? Most forums explicitly allow or disallow such postings, but it's not even implied in this forum's rules.

    If it's worth pointing out that bigotry is not allowed -- as the terms of use of this forum do -- isn't it worth pointing out that commercial activity isn't either? Bigotry's being unwelcome is surely even more obvious than commercial activity being unwelcome, yet the former is explicitly stated, whilst the latter isn't.

    Whatever. You're the mod, but it seems unreasonable to refer users to a document that doesn't cover the behaviour you're saying isn't allowed by the terms of use. Otherwise, it appears to be no more than your own arbitrary decision to disallow it.
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      CommentAuthorSaskia
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2010 edited
     
    although I agree that you seem to be a legitimate DCD fan and we can make an exception.
    Yeah, it's like when you buy a car, it's previous owner always seems to have been an old lady and the car has been in the garage most of the time! ;) Good story! It's always a gamble hey?? ;)
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    Just returned from a short vacation camping trip in the Ozarks mountains in Arkansas where it was hotter than hades. Glad to be back in the air conditioning.

    After catching up with reading in this thread, I was just thinking to myself how glad I am that this discussion board is basically populated by participants who are respectful of the purpose of the discussion board, and who can generally police themselves.
    Moderating this board has never been a burden. It is a pleasure to read the posts here.
    Aside from the occassional Troll that may pass by, the regular members on this discussion board are truly top rate.

    However, I can see the point about possibly adding a clarifying statement to the Terms of Use.
    Although (like Adrian) I generally like to have as few rules as possible, I think the suggestion is worth taking into consideration.
    I'll have a chat with the other moderators.
    Whatever we decide, we do appreciate the feedback.
    Thanks!
    • CommentAuthorsalehliam
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2010
     
    the regular members on this discussion board are truly top rate.


    Thank you ;)